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And now at this point we delay our swing into the grotto.

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Rafael left the lock off the grotto so we could get in tonight.

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But we're going to delay the entrance into the grotto because we're going to take up

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what I consider a very serious subject, the subject of UFOs.

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And of course some people will say how can you be serious about it, but we hope tonight

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to delve into some of the facts that have been accumulated about UFOs and show you that

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it indeed is a serious matter.

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And without further ado I would like you to meet once again our guest in the studio, Mr.

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Bill Donovan.

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Mr. Donovan, just what is this group that you are a member of called NICAP?

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Is that correct, NICAP?

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That's correct, Bruce.

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The abbreviations NICAP represent the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena.

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Yes, you say as a National Investigations Committee, this has nothing to do with the

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federal government.

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That's correct.

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It's a non-profit fact-finding organization and it is comprised of volunteer members from

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the United States and approximately 34 countries.

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We have about 7,000 associate members and quite a cross-section of society from all

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50 states and 34 countries.

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Well, what are the type of people who say become members of this organization?

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Well, they include just about every branch of science and engineering.

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We have the airline and military pilots, educators, clergymen and other responsible citizens.

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And we've been fortunate to have local subcommittees which have been formed by specially qualified

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members to make on-the-spot investigations of UFO reports.

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We like to refer to these things as UFOs and applying saucers and taking out the realm

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of sensationalism.

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Then primarily I take it that this is the aim of this committee, the investigation of

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these UFO reports by someone other than, say, the United States Air Force or the press who

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might tend to blow it up into some kind of a...

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That's correct.

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The Air Force which would tend to restrict the information in the press which would

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intend to possibly warp some of the facts.

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We want to get the straight facts to the American people and peoples of the world on

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what information we have gathered through reliable sources and have had verified, analyzed

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and re-analyzed by intelligent people.

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Well, once you have this information, how do you get it out to the people?

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We have, through membership in the organization, you are entitled to a bimonthly subscription

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to what we refer to as the UFO investigator reports.

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In these reports, we mention the various sightings that have taken place since the prior report.

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No doubt most of the listening audience has read the article, The Exeter Incident, which

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was publicized in Look Magazine and Pageant Magazine.

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We released these photos to the magazines.

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They were available through mycap headquarters in Washington.

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These photos that went along with the article, the Exeter Incident, it appeared in one of

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the national magazines.

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Were these photos taken at that incident or some other incident?

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This was taken in Beaver County, Pennsylvania.

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The UFO that is pictured in the upper left-hand corner of the article was not taken at Exeter.

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These were taken by a junior amateur astronomer in Beaver County, Pennsylvania.

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We had analyzed the photographs, rechecked them, and our photographic experts, they were

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genuine, and we had had them in the UFO investigator a couple of months prior to releasing them

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to the magazines, and they, upon acceptance of these photographs, rechecked them and

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found them also to be genuine.

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There were no actual pictures, none of the UFOs at Exeter?

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Not to my knowledge.

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No, they were seen by many people, but I don't believe they were put on film.

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All the more reason, as I have read that article, now talking with you, that I should get my

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camera out and keep it dusted off all the time, I think, because these things, they don't

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hang around too long, it would seem.

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That's quite true.

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In most cases, they're usually seen very quickly, maybe a matter of seconds, maybe at the longest

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a minute.

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In some cases, we have records of an hour, citing, but in most cases, they're over unpopulated

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areas, and as you say, they don't hang around for long, and usually not too much detail

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is observed, but we have various people from across the country, reliable citizens, reputable

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people, Arthur Godprey for one, that has spotted it in his light-engined aircraft.

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I read somewhere that some pilots for a national airline, some sort of, not national airlines,

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but a commercial airline, had a UFO fly alongside them for a while.

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This has happened in many cases.

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The UFO has approached the plane and has seemed to pace it, and it's every maneuver, for that

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matter.

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If the plane would try to ditch or go below the UFO, the UFO would seem to cling to it

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either left or right side and pace the aircraft, I guess, observing it at close range.

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Upon landing, the passengers of the plane along with the pilots have been briefed and

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interrogated by the Air Force and various other government organizations, and if we're

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lucky, some of our investigators, but the Air Force would tell the people that were on

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board the plane that they would report all they could separately in an interrogation

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interview, but yet none of this was to be mentioned to anybody.

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Now, our laws in our country certainly do not prohibit people from reporting these things

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to the press or making them public.

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We have mentioned a couple of times already, though, in talking that the Air Force tends

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to hush these things up.

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We're not casting aspersions on the Air Force only by saying that there must be something.

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I remember, oh, just a few months ago, I was working here on a Friday night, and the report

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started coming over the wire service about some sightings out around Kansas City, and

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the Air Force was on it, you know, like that and said that there was some, well, I think

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they said that Jupiter was laying low in the sky that evening, and people were all looking

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at Jupiter.

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They had a variety of excuses.

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They had to swallow that one within the matter of a half an hour because then came over United

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Press International a report from the Kansas City Airport saying that they had picked up

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Jupiter on their radar screens, and there was more than one.

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More than one Jupiter there, whatever it was, and then I guess they scrambled some planes

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and suddenly they disappeared from the radar screens.

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We have a case on the record where a pilot was warned secretly by the Air Force of Radiation

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Danger in a startling report just received according to this article.

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A former Navy pilot has revealed in Air Force warning that he might become seriously ill

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after three UFOs closely circled his plane, and during an interview with Air Force Major,

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with an Air Force Major at Kirtland Air Force Base, strict secrecy was imposed on the pilot,

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except for his wife, who had to be prepared if he were suddenly stricken, and he was ordered

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not to tell anyone about the encounter or the radiation hazard.

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After the time lapse passed in which he would have been safe as far as radiation goes, he

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decided that it did present this type of a danger that the American people should be

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made aware of it.

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Therefore he forwarded the report to us in Washington.

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And this is a, you say it was a Navy pilot?

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A Navy pilot, and he was caught in the air.

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And they know nothing about it though.

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No, they certainly would not admit to it, right?

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I begin to wonder about all sorts of things.

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I begin now to check back and say to myself, 13 years ago did I see something when I thought,

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well I immediately dismissed as a light passing directly on a north-south pattern over the Hudson River?

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The long-times find this to be true if you bring up the subject that people who were either afraid

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to because of ridicule or other reasons, when you get into a serious discussion of this,

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will either have friends or they themselves have seen these various things.

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And you say you saw an object over the Hudson River?

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Yes, I did. It was about, as I say, it must have been about 13 years ago.

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Now it was 19, how is my subtraction?

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14 years ago, it was 19, the summer of 1952.

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And I was on the roof of a building.

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And there were three or four others with me.

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And we were, it was about, oh I'd say approximately 1130 at night.

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My spot of this object was light, I should say.

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It was an orange-reddish light down to the south at that point, you know, low to the horizon line.

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And it appeared to be headed in our direction as we were north from it.

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And I thought that well it would soon pass overhead and we'll hear the engines of 1952.

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There weren't too many jets about.

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And we were moving slowly.

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And it was moving very slowly.

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Very slowly.

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We thought very slowly until we soon realized that it was moving at an incredible speed,

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which we thought was slow at first because it was a lot higher.

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Then you had originally suspected?

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We had originally suspected when we, when it got more over us and we started to get fixes on

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relative objects around us.

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And as a matter of fact an airplane, I assumed to be in a commercial airplane,

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passed over in an east-west direction at about that time.

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Give you some idea of the perspective.

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And we got some kind of depth perspective.

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This thing was really way up there.

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It's hard like a light was very bright.

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That's right.

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If you see a star that is exceptionally bright and somebody asks how far away it is or

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how far would you estimate it as being, it's hard to say.

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We usually on our official report ones, we say a pinhead held at arms distance.

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Would it be larger or smaller than or a P or a silver dollar or a quarter and such references?

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Well, this brings to mind something that I have tried to point out to most of the people

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listening probably know that I'm a school teacher during the day.

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And I do this on weekends for kicks.

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And in school I try to teach my children that this relative sighting business,

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I give them a close example by asking them to use a quarter or a penny and cover the moon.

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Try to cover the moon when it first comes up at night, when it's laying low to the horizon.

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I see.

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And then when it climbs into the sky.

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It's much brighter when it's all around it.

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Putting the penny at the same distance from their eye and then trying to cover the moon.

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I see.

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And there's when they begin to see that there is this refraction error because of the earth's

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atmosphere and also the fact that the moon appears a lot larger when laying low to the ground.

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Because of its relative size with houses and whatnot.

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When it gets up in the sky, you can still cover it with the penny.

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And yet it's an awful lot smaller to the naked eye.

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That's correct.

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So you ask people in your reports to make a kind of report.

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The report is the exact official report that the Air Force uses now.

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There's another contradiction.

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If they do not believe in UFOs, why did they go to the extent of forming the organization they

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referred to as Project Blue Book, which is a secrecy organization that investigates UFOs.

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And Captain E.J. Ruppelt, who was a personal friend of our director, who is now dead,

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headed the first Project Blue Book.

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And they have official report forms and we utilize the same information that they cover,

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plus a little bit more.

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We go into it in a little bit more detail.

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In what respect?

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I mean, what do you...

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Well, we would ask additional questions as far as the brilliancy of it,

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let's say for example, or any noise connected with it.

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And it goes into quite some detail.

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And usually most of the questions that have been added have been added by scientists

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and people in the investigating end of our organization that they feel is pertinent

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in comparison to the other sightings that we've received.

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They feel that this information should be added and submitted along with the

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Air Force report that we utilize.

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Do you get many reports of noise accompanying these?

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Rarely.

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Rarely. Most of the time there's no noise connected with it unless it is very close to the ground

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or on the ground.

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There's a beep-beep type of noise or a puff as it descends or a whoosh as it takes off.

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But usually there's no noise attached to it whatsoever.

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Going back to something you said earlier when we were talking about the commercial

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airline pilots trying a base of action when something was...

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UFO was flying alongside, you said something about them observing the aircraft.

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I therefore, you know, take that at you, an inference that you feel that there is something

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in the UFO observing us.

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I would assume such. We have not been able to prove that they are manned

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spacecraft or for that matter to prove that they're from our galaxy or solar system.

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However, we feel sure that some of these things may be remotely controlled, but when they

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measure in thousands of feet in length, we feel sure that any craft that large would no doubt

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carry the beans that have constructed it.

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Well, at about this point I'm going to throw out at you and I haven't talked about this before,

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so this is going to strike you as a surprise, but I've had an idea running around in the back

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of my head. A theory? A theory. And I'm just going to throw it out and then I would like also to

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say that the phone number here is Grover1500 and if anyone else has any theories, ideas,

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comments or otherwise, please give us a ring and we will try to talk to you here either on the

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arrow or not if you wish. And pose the questions to Mr. Donovan here and see what he can give you

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in a way of answers. My theory, and this is probably too simple, is that to my recollection

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and of course the files of your organization could do a much better job of research on it, but

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being associated with radio and news media over approximately now 15 years,

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to my recollection we get a rash of these at about a, I mean a real rash, we get occasional ones.

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Like a wave of sightings? A wave of sightings. On about a seven-year cycle, this to my recollection

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has been about a seven-year cycle. Now then I start thinking to myself, well where is the

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nearest star and you come up with about a seven light years away. I see. And so my simple

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theory is that if this is some other being in the universe, in other words it would take them a

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long time to get here. It would take them, they can't, if we go along with Einstein's theory of

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relativity, they cannot exceed the speed of light. One of our theories is that they are in our

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atmosphere, that they came here and that they have set up some kind of a headquarters and that the

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ones we see are constantly in our atmosphere. Well that's possible too. Your theory, I mean to go on

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with what you said now is, is that since they cannot exceed the speed of light, if we hold

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Einstein's theory to be true, we can't, we haven't been able to prove it yet. Therefore it takes them

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about a, it's about a seven-year trip for them and then once here they make their research or

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whatever and then, right, and then they head back and maybe they have a running a shuttle service,

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so to speak, so did you get these at seven years? Sightings all the time. The season call inside

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We have a phone ringing here. Let's see what the people out there have to say.

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W-E-L-K-F-M. Mr. Donovan, please, let's see. We have a phone out of the wrong area right now.

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Is there something you wanted to ask him?

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Yes, the 34 in countries, yes.

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Now this gentleman would like to know whether the governments of these 30 countries from which

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you draw members for NICAP support the theories of NICAP or are these just lay people from

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those countries? I would say that the majority of the members from foreign countries are just that

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they are either scientists or lay people not connected with the governments, but in one case

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the Argentine Navy has asked NICAP for help. Now the Secretary of the Argentine Navy has initiated

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a new investigation of UFOs and NICAP has been asked to cooperate with this official project.

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The request was signed by Lieutenant Commander O.R. Pregani, Argentine Navy, when the Secretary

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appointed with Captain Constancio Nunes to investigate UFO sightings, especially those by

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Argentine Navy personnel. That could answer the question as far as one country goes, as far as

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how many other governments of various countries are involved, I couldn't at this time say,

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but the new Argentine project has offered to exchange official UFO information

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with our organization following up their Navy reports previously sent to us which appear in

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the UFO evidence report which we put out along with other verified Argentine sightings. I believe

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Chile has a similar policy. Now is that someone answering your question sir? You're quite welcome

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and thank you for calling. Well there we have someone wondering about the, maybe we should get

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back to this membership of NICAP. How long has NICAP been in being? They were incorporated in the

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District of Columbia in 1956 as a non-profit volunteer organization and a fact-finding organization,

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as I'd mentioned, and the policies are set by the Board of Governors, prominent scientists,

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educators and other leading citizens and are carried out by our executive staff. Our purpose

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is to investigate all aspects of unidentified flying objects and to weed out the worthless

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information which we have a considerable amount of and to publicize the reliable data. Our major

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goal is scientific investigation of UFOs to determine their full significance and because of the

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official secrecy we will continue to seek open congressional hearings to make all the facts

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public. In connection with this, making all the facts public, I have followed with great interest

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of the various trips of our astronauts into orbit and mainly again being a educator and

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having use of the television in the school where I am. I try to take my children down if it's time

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is convenient for them to watch some of these launches and it helps to bring home to them

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some of the scientific theories or principles which we are trying to explain in the classroom.

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Remember hearing once that I'm one of them, I don't know which astronaut said it, but some...

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James McDivitt.

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You're zeroed in on what I'm getting to, yes. He cited what he called a bogey.

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Right, that's exactly what they refer to it as. Now the object with big arms seen by astronaut

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James McDivitt from Gemini spacecraft on June 4th is still not definitely identified though

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it is generally believed to have been an earthworm satellite or a booster. Now the reversal of

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explanations by the tracking system officials remains a puzzle. The first report given out by

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NASA, National Aeronautics and Space Administration said McDivitt had cited an object with big

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arms sticking out and had photogadget from the Gemini 4. The pictures were taken with a movie

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camera mounted inside the windshield. Now one of the movie frames released a week later

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shows an oval shaped object with a faint tail or light and of light and a fan light triangular

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glow. The mystery may have been cleared up. It was disclosed at our Pegasus satellite which

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looks like it has arms was flying over the U.S. when McDivitt says he saw the object. The same

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explanation was broadcast on other networks but the Pegasus answer was quickly dropped after fixes

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by the space detection and tracking system showed Gemini 4 and Pegasus to be 1200 miles apart at

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the time of the sighting. Also it was not revealed that McDivitt had seen the object over Hawaii

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and not the United States. But within 24 hours the air defense command publicized

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reversed the original tracking report. They reversed their explanation and the first fixes

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that said were imprecise instead of being 1200 miles distant. Pegasus was so close it could easily

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be the McDivitt object which the astronaut had estimated to be 10 or 12 miles away.

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How did our expert trackers make such a huge blunder? Imprecise is hardly the word for a

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1200 mile mistake remains to be seen. Well they better start checking the computers perhaps.

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I would like to ask this. You go back to the point I threw out my little theory and

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then we had a phone call. You say that you feel that they are in our atmosphere. That is one of

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our theories. In fact one of the ones that seems to be holding up. Like you say if they come from

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another galaxy and it's going to take them in our calibration as far as time goes years

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to attain our atmosphere we feel that the ones that we are constantly seeing in our atmosphere

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are ones that have come to this atmosphere and have taken up some kind of a headquarters. Now

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there's a book out entitled The Hollow Earth which we do not recognize. They claim that animal bird

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went to the north pole and south pole and discovered an opening into the center of the earth where

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there's beams of giant stature and that these beams are the ones that man these flying saucers.

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Now that is based on one of our theories but we will not recognize these giants in the center

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of the earth nor will we recognize the damskies trips to Venus. Well what about the other side

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of the moon that we never see. Now this is another strange thing. I had done a take not too long ago

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on an article I read in a magazine by Robert Rosenberger and he mentions that when we sent

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our scientists to the Antarctica we answered the question before it was polled. We told them

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that we were going there for research resource and whatnot. However it was brought to our attention

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by the Chilean government and the Argentine government that various UFOs had been spotted

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around the poles in large formations and in rapid succession and we believed that tracking and

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checking our reports at almost every saucer or UFO spot it was traveling in a north south

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direction we believe from pole to pole. And when they sent these expeditionary forces there from

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Russia and the United States alike these UFOs disappeared and the astronauts and various

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scientists began to notice changes on the moon's surface. Domes as they were referred to canals,

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craters that hadn't been there before. Now we have a concentrated space effort to get to the moon

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and we are claiming for defense purposes. But this scientist that wrote this article mentions that

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we have intercontinental ballistic missiles now that will reach any country on earth and we need

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not possess the moon to be able to threaten the earth. In fact an interspace ballistic missile

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would take much longer, be more costly to construct and if it was sent let's say by the

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United States from the moon to hit Russia it could be destroyed before it even entered our

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atmosphere. So they believe this concentrated effort to go to the moon is not necessarily for

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defense or military purposes but because of exploration and scientific aspects and possibly

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to investigate these changes on the moon as a result of possibly driving these UFOs away from

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our poles. That's another theory. Well they would also many of the we don't get but fragmentary

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reports about the Russian lunar probes but it would seem to me that they've experienced some kind

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of weird difficulty in making a soft landing. Either their sensing radar as to when to trigger

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their retro rockets or something seems to be way off because they had so many that just obliterated

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themselves upon the moon's surface and these were tracked actually one of them I believe was

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seen to make impact or shortly afterwards the surface of the moon was observed from

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one of our observatories and so that either their guidance systems are way off and if they are then

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we really don't have to worry about their ICBMs or that there's something else following up their

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landing devices there on the moon. General MacArthur mentioned in the year 1955 that the

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nations of the world had better unite because the next war will be an interplanetary war. Now

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General MacArthur usually knew what he was talking about and we were wondering did he have access to

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information not available to the average man or the public? Did he have access to this information

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that the Air Force now has charge of? Did he realize that these things did exist and that most

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likely with our civilization the way it was that our next war could very well have been

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an interplanetary war? And it was in this article MacArthur had been mentioned that this moon theory

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is being collaborated upon. I would like to take another leap at this point and say that I'm willing

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to accept that there is something out there and I'm not the only one in the universe high in my

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kind and if we have been observed for this length of time why the delay in contact? This is another

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good question. We don't believe that they are hostile number one. We don't believe that they're

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trying to communicate with us. In fact our space program projected for the next 25 or 50 years would

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mean that let's say we were going to venture forth through Mars. Had we constructed the necessary

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craft to do so we would possibly set up a base station on the moon and then if we observed a

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civilization on Mars be it ahead of us or behind us I don't think we would land. I think we would

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pace through aircraft, determine their nuclear capabilities and if they're just about to our

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point determine what kind of a race and what kind of people are going to be joining us out here in

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the stars the same as some other aliens from some other planet may be doing to us at this point.

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It also seemed to me that if these sightings that have been made and these weird maneuvers reported

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by commercial pilots, military pilots, of these objects if they are manned if we take this as the

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first assumption if they are manned by some living creature and not automatically controlled

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from without they have overcome one of our serious problems in space traveling everything else and

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that is that is a gravitational force or over overcoming Newton's basic laws of motion. That's

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correct because these things will fly at fantastic speeds in one direction and come to the get-off

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and then reverse their field or make a right angle turn it would be impossible for any of

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them. If anything was inside it would be splattered against the wall that's for sure. They've obviously

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overcome something that we have yet to even think about. They have attacked or so we thought our

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commercial airlines on occasion and have come directly at the cockpit and the pilots and

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they're getting to bust themselves and thought maybe they only had a couple minutes left or a

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couple seconds and this thing would stop just before making contact with the plane and reverse

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into a sharp right angle movement and we believe that they have either tapped some kind of electromagnetic

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waves that are existing around the earth or they definitely have overcome their gravity problem

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and one scientist claims that we should stop spending money on rockets and stop

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thinking along those lines and start developing some type of a saucer. In other words these are the

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shapes of these objects that we are seeing could it be that we're traveling along the long path

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maybe we're our shape and our object is maybe obsolete and held to this whereas they're concerned.

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Well I read an article by someone involved in Rocketry now I believe. I don't want to quote

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it. I have a name in the back of my head but I would not want to say that it was he but it was

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by someone who is involved in Rocketry now and he said that he was willing to concede that

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rockets were all right for what we were doing at the present moment but for inter-planetary travel

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the saucer was a much better shape. True. And that it because of uh like the teardrop shape in

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our wings and whatnot. Yes because we we are still basically within our atmosphere where the basic

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shape of the wing uh is important for lift and this sort of thing but uh when you get out there

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where there is no atmosphere and you have other forces to contend with uh saucer shape he said

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would be better. Now to get back to what you mentioned earlier Bruce you said that you saw

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an orangish red colored object now there's a theory advanced that when you heat a piece of metal

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it uh becomes a reddish orange in color it gets blue as he gets hotter and then he gets white hot

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now when these things have been seen close to the earth or stopped or have been landed

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they seem to be reddish in color when they're moving slowly they're greenish blue and when

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they're seen very high they're bright like a star so that substantiates that theory and we

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haven't had anything so far or thus far to disprove it. And at this time I had read this before on

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various stations I'd like to read a letter I got from Senator Robert F. Kennedy. Now he quotes or I

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quote here thank you for your thoughtful letter on so-called unidentified flying objects. Many

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reputable scientists agree that there must be other beings in the universe. Dr. Hollow Shapley for one

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has stated that there is a high probability that there is other life in the universe. He also says

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to believe that there is other life in the universe is not however to believe that these UFOs are man

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vehicles. One explanation of this phenomenon connects the lights that are seen with the gaseous

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tales of comets. A careful analysis of sightings to date has not given us any indication that UFOs

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are manned. I would appreciate hearing from you on this matter and hope you will write again on

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matters of mutual interest. We wanted to get an opinion from Robert Kennedy before forming our

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New York subcommittee which will under the new policy that NiCAP has said forward reports to him

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simultaneously forwarded into Washington that the senators of the various states are made aware of

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these things so we can encourage these congressional committees to be formed and have open hearings.

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Many senators have quoted or we have quoted many senators and saying that they excuse me will strive

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for this and a lot of them are members of NiCAP. Senator Dierksen has said some very nice remarks

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in favor of our organization and he is going to strive for congressional hearings. He says that

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he does not believe that it jeopardizes the national defense or poses any threat to our

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security and that when the facts are made available to the congressional committee that they in turn

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would no doubt make them available to the people. But the Air Force's only claim has been fear of

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mass hysteria. This again brings a lot of other things to light. How about if one of these things

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falls on the Kipsy what will the people think then? Well I for one will start looking around quickly.

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I mean what a place other society has taught them these things do not exist but yet what has landed

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in Marty Frickard's backyard and this presents a problem. I would at this point would like to ask

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this question if someone is interested in learning more about NiCAP and UFOs or if someone has

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had a sighting which up to this point they have tended to keep to themselves because they

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again people say boy you should add your glasses clean that night or something on that.

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Where can they contact you? They could reply at my address in Bikipsy at Fort Cleveland Drive.

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Cleveland as you spell the president's name C-L-E-V-E-L-A-N-D. Or they could write directly to the National

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Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena in Washington D.C. at 1536 Connecticut Avenue.

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I would appreciate hearing from the people that would be interested sending them the necessary forms

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and having them complete the forms and sending Washington in care of NiCAP.

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What do you see for the future with NiCAP? I've got an indication of something there with

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obviously NiCAP is about to exert a little lobbying pressure on Congress.

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This is true we've been trying to do this for a long time and things have begun to break so to

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speak. The news media has backed us up tremendously. WEOK for example, Look Magazine and various other

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newspapers and TV and radio shows. Our director who is Major Donald E. Kehoe will be on the Mike

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Douglas Show this coming Friday night at 4.30 on Channel 9 for anyone that would be interested

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in listening to his oration on UFOs and bear in mind that he represents our organization as our

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director and I'm sure that it would be of interest to people that are interested in UFOs or who just

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believe UFOs. I happen to glimpse part of the program on Channel 8 this past Friday and it

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seemed to be very interesting. He brings out some pictures that the Air Force has on the subject

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and he also talks about the suppression of facts that the Air Force has in the files

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and this is what we're trying to bring an end to. We want these facts analyzed by scientists

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interpreted or interpreted by the congressional committees and then presented to the American

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people and we feel that the wide interest and concern expressed by the general public and the

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news media has precipitated enlightenment in respect to the mystery of unidentified flying

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objects and we hope that it will progress and we have good reason to believe it will.

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Well on that note I can only say thank you. It's been nice being here Bruce and I've enjoyed it very

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much. I feel better about things that I have had rolling around the back of my head for years.

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It's nice to know that I'm not alone and I'm not thinking you know off the deep end.

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There are obviously responsible people in the United States and in the world who are concerned

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about this. I have often felt and I have often tried to say whenever I felt it was necessary that

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it's about time and this is my own opinion again and doesn't reflect the station in the management

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or anyone else. It's about time that the human race got their heads out of the sand and began

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to realize that we cannot think that we are the only intelligent beings in the universe

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if you would all go along with the theory of evolution to any extent whatsoever.

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Just mere mathematical chance says that somewhere someplace in this huge vast universe

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there has to be some sort of an evolutionary pattern that was somewhat close to ours.

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Well I hope we've interested some people in the listening audience and I hope they'll

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either contact me in the Bikisi area or write 1536, Canada and Washington and thanks again Bruce.

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Well thank you very much and thank you Mrs. Donovan for being so quiet.

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I've been talking about this all the time.

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Pretty efficient, very quiet.